That which does not kill me is not torture

At last we understand why the Bushies say they don't torture people:

BBC NEWS | Americas | US interrogation debate detailed

... John Fredman, then chief counsel to the CIA's counter-terrorism centre, argued during the meeting that torture 'is basically subject to perception'.

'If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong,' he said...

We've killed several detainees, so even by the Bush standard we do torture.

If they hadn't died though, no torture.

A clear cut standard.