BBC NEWS | Americas | US interrogation debate detailedWe've killed several detainees, so even by the Bush standard we do torture.
... John Fredman, then chief counsel to the CIA's counter-terrorism centre, argued during the meeting that torture 'is basically subject to perception'.
'If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong,' he said...
If they hadn't died though, no torture.
A clear cut standard.